The Nacle's Ubër Feminist has spoken: Sex isn’t inherently bad, but it is inherently bad for women. Naturally, she is promptly attacked by...a bunch of men...and then a bunch of women chime in saying she is wrong too, the arguments being based largely on them ignoring what Rosalynde said and what her intent was. Both predictable and ugly. How dare Rosalynde try to inject some intelligent coversation into a indiscreet thread that is the online equivilent of wanking in public. The simple fact that so many commenters choose to remain anonymous should tell you something.

But, the best comment of all is this one, where we are informed:

There is a vast difference in attitudes between women who don’t like sex, for various reasons, and those who do.

    Yeah? No kiddin! You mean, women who like sex have different attitudes about sex than women who don't like sex! Whoa! No way! One likes sex and one doesn't, note the difference!

Women who are asexual have a lot of issues.
    Another earth-shatteringly profound statement. A lot of issues of...what? Or, is this just a cheap personal attack on any "prude" who would have the nerve to point out that the book referenced and the entire FMH thread is a load of rubbish, designed to make proponents of this lascivious trash feel like they are better adjusted and they don't have "issues"?

What is interesting about asexual women is: over 75% of women who report they have never had an orgasm actual orgasm regularly and just do not connect with their bodies enough to feel it.
    How exactly did this 75% number come about? Pull it out of your bum? How did these "researchers" determine that women who report to never having an orgasm actually did have one, they just "do not connect with their bodies enough to feel it"? What in the world does that even mean? The women in question are having out-of-body experiences so often, and it just so happens they are frequently having sex at the time, that when their bodies are experiencing an orgasm their spirits are elsewhere? What rot!

Then the commenter references salacious rubbish put out by some quack and his wife who want to make a buck marketing Extended Massive Orgasms (EMOs). You know, that just isn't enough for me. I want Extreme Overpowering Incapacitating Explosive Debilitating Continent-Shaking Earth-Moving Knock-Satellites-Out-Of-Orbit Rend-Time-And-Spacegasms, (EOIEDCSEMKSOOORTAS) and my illustrated book on just how to do that is for all those not prude, uptight, cloistered and issue-ridden enough to reach for their full potential. Because, you know, 75% of women are capable of having EOIEDCSEMKSOOORTAS, they are just not connected with their bodies enough to know it (Bloggernacle Snarker, The Dog's Butt Dragged Across Your Expensive Oriental Rug, 1997, page 1). But, for only $17.95, my illustrated guide will show you how, and the planet will be destroyed shortly thereafter by all the women rending time and space and splitting the continents. So, hurry, before the world ends.

You know what is really bad for women? Selfish husbands. And that was Rosalynde's point, that insufficient frank talk about sex isn't the problem. And you know what, she is right. More dirty talk isn't going to make selfish husbands less selfish, and it isn't going to make them more caring and compassionate husbands capable of being sensitive to the needs of their wives. Dirty talk doesn't address the cultural morass of emotionally stunted men who's view of sex is largely egocentric.

Oh, and Happy St. Valentine's Day.


Anonymous said... @ February 14, 2006 at 7:22 AM

So why is a discussion about sex "dirty talk?" What was exactly dirty? I don't think anyone made a smutty or debasing comment. Hmmm...methinks Snarky should take a look at her own issues with sexuality. Sort of proves Artemis' point, doesn't it?

As for defending Rosalynde-makes one wonder just who the Snarker is...

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 14, 2006 at 8:05 AM

Yeah, anonymous coward, Rosalynde is the Snarker, you are just so darn clever. We are so busted.

And, you are right, anyone who thinks that the garbage being posted on that thread is garbage is really just sexually frustrated. Uh huh. Sure. And anyone who thinks you are an anonymous coward is wrong about that too. Yup, I guess anal sex in the shower and masterbating with dildos is the kind of thing we really need a lot more non-smutty non-debasing public discussion of. How about you get up at the next Fast & Testimony meeting and talk about how edifying it is, eh? I am sure the ward will be very receptive.

Stephen said... @ February 14, 2006 at 11:23 AM

The women in question are having out-of-body experiences so often, and it just so happens they are frequently having sex at the time, that when their bodies are experiencing an orgasm their spirits are elsewhere?

I laughed so hard my wife woke up (I was home for lunch and she was sleeping off another liver transplant -- she is a CRNA at a transplant center).

Rose by any other Name said... @ February 14, 2006 at 2:57 PM

And you are not an anonymous coward Snarky baby? Taking cheap pot shots and playing morally superior behind the face of an ugly dog?

You didn't answer why you think it is "garbage" (just some comments about dildos and anal sex...so what. These things exist. Why does talking about them equal smutty?) and it is amazing to see the amount of vitriol you spew forth about this subject. Hmmm. Snarky is a prude.

About Fast and Testimony meeting...I like to stick to the basics and testify about the Savior and stuff like that. But maybe its different in a chihuaha ward.

Yep, Snarky can dish it out but she sure can't take it.

NFlanders said... @ February 14, 2006 at 3:13 PM

I'm not anonymous, Snarker, and I think you are way off-base, just like Rosalynde.

While that thread isn't exactly my cup of tea, I think it is doing something important, i.e. addressing sexual disfunction.

What's wrong with that?

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 15, 2006 at 6:57 AM

Hey Rose Who Smells Like A Skunk, it is pretty plain you are a pervert who doesn't like anyone who points out you are a pervert, you pervert. So go harrass someone else, and get some therapy so your wife doesn't leave you at the first convenient moment. We are anonymous so what we do here isn't a personal attack, that is alot different from being a whiney pervert and hiding because you don't want people to know who you are, you pervert. You are too ashamed of yourself to be public, we aren't.

Ned, how is it addressing sexual dysfunction? Its not, its mostly a bunch of potty mouths vomiting online. Come on, how can you take Steve EM giving marital advice to anyone as being something seriously beneficial or therapeutic? Rosalynde hit the nail on the head. Making sex more participatory/pleasurable for the woman does nothing to address the screwed up emotional health of the average American male.

Steve EM said... @ February 15, 2006 at 1:01 PM


You should have seen my deleted comments. BTW, the others who offered that repressed gal advice concured with me. Some rebutted me, but offered no suggestions of thier own.

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 15, 2006 at 1:15 PM

Steve EM, since when were you qualified to give marital advice?

Anonymous said... @ February 15, 2006 at 2:59 PM

Geeze! It sounds like Rosalynde is married to a real selfish jerk! or else he's just inept. So in Rosalynde's case, sex probably *is* inherently bad. But that doesn't mean it's bad for the rest of us. Please Rosalynde, speak for yourself. As for myself, I quite enjoy it and that doesn't make me a pervert. Sorry about your cloister, Rosalynde.

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 15, 2006 at 4:38 PM

Anonymous, you are an insufferable idiot, but you already know that, don't you?

Rosalynde Wlech has nothing to do whatseover with the SnarkerNacle, never has, probably never will. Never even contributed an anonymous snark.

Mo Mommy said... @ February 15, 2006 at 7:31 PM

I was totally excited to read some dirty talk, but never once did I see the words: penetration, moan, throbbing, wet, etc... Thoroughly disappointed, since you built it up so well. ;)
I agree with Rosalynde. From now on the men are having the babies!!Far less one-sided that way.

Mo Mommy said... @ February 15, 2006 at 7:35 PM

"over 75% of women who report they have never had an orgasm actual orgasm regularly and just do not connect with their bodies enough to feel it."
WHAT?!!! Makes absolutely no sense on a zillion different levels. I'm with Stephen on this one

Tacoma's Son said... @ February 15, 2006 at 11:31 PM

That comment about Rosalynde is pretty over the top. Not generally in good taste. But this is the Snarkernacle, so I guess it's just par for the course.

As long as it's all about "equal oppurtunity snarking"...

Sarebear said... @ February 16, 2006 at 2:02 AM

Um. Hee. Snarker . . .when you say see if the ward would be very receptive . . .

I couldn't help thinking about what, ahem, in the context of what you were talking about, they might be RECEIVING. Hee.

Brings new meaning to the FAST part of F&T meeting (woops, sounds pR0n). DANGIT how come F&T never is F? And I mean FAST, not that OTHER F.

Stephen! In the context of the subject matter here, when you said you laughed so hard your wife woke up, I just couldn't help but think wait . . . she's asleep when he is @#$@# with her? I didn't picture it, really, just kinda, well if I'da been drinking soda my screen would have been too, about now. 8^D

It also sounded like your wife has received multiple liver transplants. Whatta Woman! So liverly, and all that. MAN. I'm up too late, I'm manic, silly, and all that stuff. So be afraid, be VERY afraid.

Mo mommy! Dagnabbit. You said THOSE WORDS. Now I gotta go wake up the hubby. Whee!

Sarebear said... @ February 16, 2006 at 2:03 AM

Oh, and I haven't read the thread(s) in question yet. And I'm manic. This could be a bad combo . . . . Bwahahahahahaaa!

Look out 'naccle, here I come!!!

Take THAT however you wish. Cause I wish.

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 16, 2006 at 7:39 AM

Mo Mommy, I see a big career for you in Mormon Erotic Fiction.

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