Nothing like a little payback, eh, T&S? Punish Mormon Archipelago by promoting LDSelect.org, a flagrant ripoff of MA. Oh, but its customizable! And the comments are on the left side and not the right side! Uh, huh. Yeah. Oh, and look who is running it [OK, link disabled at various people's request, to protect the innocent wife and kids, but its DKL, trust us, and if you don't believe me then send me an e-mail]. Well, what a surprise. If he cannot take it over one way, he will take it over another. Kaimi demures, insisting its not an act of spite towards the MA, but come on, man, do you think we are that stupid?

T&S gets demoted by the MA, so they get pissed, then the most reviled person on the Nacle offers T&S some payback, and they are only too willing to oblidge, feigning indifference. Kind of surprising T&S hasn't already posted an LDSelect icon on its sidebar, but that would be a dead giveaway if they did.

This just proves the Bloggernacle is more like a soap opera than reality.


Guy Murray said... @ February 9, 2006 at 6:36 AM

My, my, my . . Snarker. Me thinks thou art an Archipelagist eh?

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 9, 2006 at 6:57 AM

Nah, we're equal opportunity offenders here. Gotta take your snarks where you can gettem.

DazzleSnark said... @ February 9, 2006 at 8:01 AM

I was just about to snark this myself. Makes you wonder what will happen if T&S ever gets demoted to "Blogs Two" or "Blogs OnePointFive--Substitutes for Anaesthesia".

Haven't these people heard of bloglines?

a random John said... @ February 9, 2006 at 8:53 AM

I've already demoted them on mine! I've promoted the Snarkernacle as well.

a random John said... @ February 9, 2006 at 8:57 AM

Also, isn't posting a home address a bit beneath you guys? Surely you have more subtle means at your disposal.

Bookslinger said... @ February 9, 2006 at 9:39 AM

You missed an obvious snark, the double-entendre of "LD Select" versus "LDS elect". That play could not have been by accident!

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 9, 2006 at 9:47 AM

a random john, the whois repository is a matter of public record, anyone who has registered a domainname knows that and there are means available to anonymize it. If I had said DKL was the one behind it without providing evidence, then people would have jumped all over me to prove it.

DazzleSnark said... @ February 9, 2006 at 10:07 AM

Which begs the question, why didn't T&S just come out and say who is running it, rather than refer to some "public announcement" (i.e., email to Kaimi from DKL).

Notably absent on the "elect" site is the name of the person upon whom our thanks and praise should be bestowed, for gracing the nacle with such an invaluable source of information that's available in numerous other places to begin with.

a random John said... @ February 9, 2006 at 10:12 AM

It does not beg the question. It raises the question.

Didn't the Snarkernacle get an email too?

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 10:15 AM

Also, in Kaimi's T&S announcement thread, a random John suggests people register with their regular Bloggernacle name. However, if they do so that would be handing DKL your IP address, and if everyone on the Nacle does that, then DKL will have a master list of everyone's IP addresses to do with as he pleases. That isn't something I would trust him with given his past actions.

I have posted this info anonymously to T&S twice, and both times they have deleted it. Why is that, Kaimi?

a random John said... @ February 9, 2006 at 10:20 AM

Given the T&S record with IP address info I'm surprised anyone concerned about abuse would even post there.

I don't believe that DKL has any plan to use infomation for malicious purposes, especially given that the feature in question is one I suggested, but those who harbor doubts need not use the site.

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 9, 2006 at 10:23 AM

The Snarker did not receive a heads up from anyone on the LDSelect.org thing, the first we saw of it was Kaimi's T&S post.

arJohn, you seriously think Dastardly Dave is going to e-mail us with a scoop we can poop on? Come on.

Also, people are complaining to me in private about the link to the proof that DKL is the one running LDSelect, so I will take it down. Complaining about that is about the equivalent of complaining about the sky being blue, anyone who knows anything about the internet knows about whois. But, OK, I'll take the link down.

Naiah Earhart said... @ February 9, 2006 at 10:26 AM

Most people have what is called a dynamic IP address through their ISP. Static (unchanging) IPs are usually reserved for someone who is foing webhosting, or something else that'd have to always be the same (ie, something through the DNS) If you are ever concerned about someone 'having your IP address,' all you need to do is restart your dsl modem. (If you have dsl--come to think of it, I don't know how to chnage it for any other kind of servie..I am such a twit.)

Ok, I've exchanged a couple of emails with DKL. He seems nice enough. Do please tell this 'nacle newbie who he is, what he did, and, also, tangentally, what the heck the whole monkey steals the peach obsession is all about.

Also, random john, who-is lookup data is required of all websites. Most who-is entries just point to the webhost itself, or the person's ISP, but there are some for whom all the data is given.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 10:31 AM

I doubt whether DKL needed to email an announcement to Kaimi. I'd bet a ham sandwich that Kaimi is in on this, although I can't prove it and T&S are unlikely to engage the issue. It's pure spite all the way. There is no way LDSselect would even have entered DD's brain had it not been for IconGate. Oh, how I love the 'nacle

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 11:07 AM


Your comments were't deleted, they were dumped into moderation because you had not been whitelisted, which we use to help deter the hordes of spammers.

Anyway, I saw your comment here and so I took a look at the moderation queue at T&S and set the comments free. I'd hate to think that your conspiracy theories were not given the airing they were due!

Also, I reported your IP address to the FBI. Expect a call.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 11:08 AM

That last one was me -- Frank.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 11:28 AM

Kaimi, reporting the IP address of the random proxy server I happened to use today to the FBI will result in zero telephone calls to me. I appreciate the effort though, and now I see what random John was talking about T&S IP address abuse. Must be hard for you to be such a jerk all the time, and being in bed with DKL can only make that worse. And, Kaimi, as long as I have your attention, do tell us all if DKL is still banned at T&S, or is he off the banned list?

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 11:30 AM

apology to Kaimi for calling him a jerk. You, Frank, are the jerk.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 11:43 AM

Wow. Well, at the very least we now know who the most hated person in the nacle is and it ain't Adam G. anymore...

Crystal said... @ February 9, 2006 at 12:22 PM

Drama, drama, drama.


I think when you start calling people jerks, it's time to take a time out from blogging.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 12:47 PM

"reporting the IP address of the random proxy server I happened to use today to the FBI will result in zero telephone calls to me."


By the way, other anon, how again does letting a comment out of moderation make me the most hated person in the bloggernacle? Surely I'd have to do something better than that!


Geoff J said... @ February 9, 2006 at 1:00 PM

Thanks for the concern on behalf of the MA all but I'm afraid this is a tempest in a teapot. First, the MA portal ought to be just fine. People who like it will use it; people who don't will move on. Second, I actually really like the folks at T&S I've met and I know the others in the MA crew feel the same. We might have different perspectives on this community/MA banner thing but whoop-dee-doo. We're all on the same team (team Christ) in the end right? Third, what's the worry about IPs, Anon? Any time anyone comment on a Wordpress blog the IP is saved. Why is that such a problem? From what I personally know about DKL I think it would be perfectly safe to try his service out if one was so inclined.

Snarky's original post was, of course, snarky (I admittedly laughed out loud at the picture), and that is expected and why we come around here -- but there is no need for mr./mrs. "anonymous" to try to escalate things beyond a little snarking. I know everyone likes a schoolyard brawl, but there's nuthin' to see here folks.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 1:06 PM

Frank, you have to be kidding, right? Like you have a personal connection at the FBI that follows up on your leads. Yeah, Joe Monday, the Internet Police are going to track me down through an anonymous proxy server and then yell at me for doing what? They are going to write me a ticket for using a legal service that is not being used to defraud or spam anyone? OK, Frank, check back into reality. Oh no! The ATF is coming in helicopters to kick in my door and arrest me for surfing the T&S website!!! ohnoooeesss!!1!!11!

And, Frank, I think the other anonymous was referring to DKL, not you.

Ooops, gotta go, my phone is ringing...

Snarkimus Prime said... @ February 9, 2006 at 1:10 PM

GeoffJ, ever the diplomat. Come on, how is Snark going to get their job done with you throwing wet towels all over the place. Do a Snark a favor and pour some gasoline around.

OK, everyone else, just shut up for now or I will start deleting things with extreme prejudice.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 1:17 PM

"Frank, you have to be kidding, right?"

Right. But kudos to you because I really can't figure out if you are! I guess that is an advantage of anonymity.


Last Lemming said... @ February 9, 2006 at 1:34 PM

Frank, you have to be kidding, right? Like you have a personal connection at the FBI that follows up on your leads.

Ahem... I would read the fifth paragaph of this link before jumping to any conclusions.


What do we really know about this Carmen Argenziano fellow anyway? Some kind of hellraiser, it seems. Hmmmm.

Kim Siever said... @ February 9, 2006 at 1:58 PM

Hey, we're all up for OT being above the fold.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 2:51 PM

Well I asked this question at T&S but didn't get an answer. Why don't T&S comments show up at MA while they do at LDS? Does it have to do with not putting up the MA logo? I had thought that that was only related to the demotion to below the fold box status. But I suppose I've not been following all of this as closely as others.

Randy B.

Anonymous said... @ February 9, 2006 at 3:10 PM

ll, wow, how'd you find that? Google?

My favorite: "And that's when it becomes a telekinetic tug-of-war " (!!!)

Fear me and my psychic economist powers!


Naiah Earhart said... @ February 9, 2006 at 5:14 PM

I don't know who you are, but you need to switch to decaf--like yesterday. For real. It's a blog community. There's no reason to get your panties into such a bunch. Of course, my saying that will only squeeze your cheeks the harder, but, like come on already! We're talking about a couple of websites. As the 'nacle grows. So, will the opportunity--and even need-- for multiple services. The internet runs on redundancy.

I don't want to get in your face, or have any kind of cyber-pseudo-gimme-a-break-confintation with you. For the benefit of your own blood pressue--step back, take a breath, and remember that these are websites. We're not talking political alliances here. The entire blogOSPHERE could go belly-up tomorrow, and y'know what--life would go on.

Chill out. This like so totally doesn't even merit a conspiracy theory. Go call professor Jones.

Eric Russell said... @ February 10, 2006 at 1:08 AM

Randy B,

I'm not the right one to answer this, but I believe that the MA specifically left out T&S from the comment cue. Part of the point of the MA was to let people see what was going on in more remote places of the bloggernacle and so adding T&S comments would be unecessary and even unhelpful to the degree that it flushed out other comments.

Originally I thought that was a good idea, but now that I see the T&S comments among the others at LDSelect, it's not that bad. I'm thinking now that it's worth keeping them in the comments.

Last Lemming said... @ February 10, 2006 at 7:14 AM

Google indeed! You think you're the only economist with psychic powers?

And don't think you're fooling us with that science "fiction" dodge. They said X-Files and Roswell were fiction, too.

Anonymous said... @ February 10, 2006 at 9:37 AM

Eric, thanks. That certainly makes sense. Though I tend to agree with you, now seeing the T&S comments mixed in with the others, that there is so much activity outside T&S that it's not a problem. Unlike some, apparently, blog placement in the various boxes doesn't really matter to me (I always go to Snarkernacle via MA, even though it is in the bottom row). But having T&S in the comments is a very good development. Hopefully MA will follow LDSE's lead here.

Randy B.

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